What do you think of Alcoholics Anonymous?
The new kid that I see described as "a recovering alcoholic." Needless to AA meetings daily. I went to a couple of meetings with him and the people seemed incredibly weird. They were so depressing. He felt like "Hey let's dig up all the more depressing moments in our lives absolute and ruminate on them repeatedly." They " drunkalogues "where they are most striking in the details when they last got drunk. What do you think?
The people go on what they are "spiritual not religious" by talking about God and pray. This was my first clue something was wrong. I had a problem with alcohol, visited 10 detoxification in hospital 82 days. While there, the hospital staff and my doctor convinced me that I need to follow it up with a drug treatment 30 days. The hospital stay financially destroyed me, I entered Debt rehabilitation that consisted of AA members trying to explain how even if I stop being an atheist and start believe in their God, pray with them, how God alone can remove my desire to drink, he is not religious. I thought they would teach me some skills adaptation, no prayers. I pick up that I was powerless, I had an illness and that my drinking was genetic, great excuse to go back to drinking. I learned that people can not stop drinking on their own and must attend AA to stay stopped. I also learned that sitting in meetings listening to a bunch of bull hockey and being told that I MUST start believing in what these people have said or dying depressed me further. They told me that my choices were 1) death, 2) drink that would die more slowly, or 3) think exactly as they believed. I found that I could not do # 3, I thought long and hard about # 1 but he saw how they talked suicides in the rooms, and there were several. I learn later that AA has a mortality rate of 3%, six times higher than for people who trying to quit without AA. Some is due to the large anti-medication/anti-therapy vocal faction of AA tell people that if they take their drugs psych prescribed, they are not truly sober. "At least he died sober" or "He could not get this simple program, not a word about the torment of the person must have been goin through. They used these suicides as recruiting tools, "Can not get AA, killed himself. I found this particular patient and do not want anything to do with these people. So I chose # 2, turns to drink, even if part of me wanted to quit. AA has convinced me that I could not do without them and I refused to be one of them. Problem was, for me, I diagnosed with depression before I started drinking. People kept telling me that depression would magically disappear once I stopped drinking, but he did not, it gets worse, much worse. I kept getting told that I needed sober for a few months before I could be treated for depression. A few months passed and the shrink or therapist wants a few months additional. Meanwhile, I was hanging by a thread. Shrinks and advisers dismissed the depression in the context of alcohol withdrawal and no matter how I tried to explain rationally, those who believed in AA do not want to hear. AA members was rejected as being on the pity pot. People kept telling me that I must be mistaken, AA admits atheists, they can help anyone. I discovered members will tell you something to put you in the door, but once you're there, you're supposed to comply. Some people call it sect, the members are brainwashed, some AA members boast that their brain needs a good washing. AA became more than half of all new members through the courts, government agencies and aid programs to employees. So many people complained that I described by several courts have a look at what was happening. Each time a case is before a higher tribunal, the final result was that AA is at least "religious in nature" and that compulsory attendance is a violation of the Establishment Clause. AA had fled with her if it worked, BUT IT DOES NOT. Here are the results of some major studies: 1) Dr. Brandsma found that AA increased the rate of binge alcohol, and 2) Dr. Ditman found that AA increased the rate of arrests for public drunkenness, and 3) Dr. Walsh said that "free AA" made later hospitalization more expensive, and 4) doctors Orford and Edwards found that having a doctor to talk to the patient for just one hour was equally effective as a year of AA-based treatment. 5) Dr. George E. Vaillant, the AA Trust has concluded that treatment AA was totally ineffective, and raised the mortality rate among alcoholics. No other way of treating alcoholics produced such a high mortality rate such as Alcoholics Anonymous. 1) http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-effectiveness.html Brandsma # 2) http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-effectiveness.html Ditman # 3) # http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-effectiveness.html Walsh 4) http://www.orange- papers.org / Orange Orford effectiveness.html # 5) http://www.orange-papers .org / orange-effectiveness.html # Vaillant There are no scientific studies that show that AA works better than no treatment at all. illegal even if it does http://www.positiveatheism.org/mail/eml9180.htm The work efficiency of the Twelve-Step Treatment http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-effectiveness.html Why the 12-S
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It's more than a book. It's a way of life. Alcoholics Anonymous-the Big Book-has served as a lifeline to millions worldwide. First published in 1939, Alcoholics Anonymous sets forth cornerstone concepts of recovery from alcoholism and tells the stories of men and women who have overcome the disease. With publication of the second edition in 1955, the third edition in 1976, and now the fourth edition in 2001, the essential recovery text has remained unchanged while personal stories have been added to reflect the growing and diverse fellowship. The long-awaited fourth edition features 24 new personal stories of recovery. Key features and benefits · the most widely used resource for millions of individuals in recovery · contains full, original text describing AA program · updated with 24 new personal stories
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It's more than a book. It's a way of life. Alcoholics Anonymous-The Big Book-has served as a lifeline to millions worldwide. First published in 1939, Alcoholics Anonymous sets forth cornerstone concepts of recovery from alcoholism and tells the stories of men and women who have overcome the disease. With publication of the second edition in 1955, the third edition in 1976, and now the fourth edition in 2001, the essential recovery text has remained unchanged while personal stories have been added to reflect the growing and diverse fellowship. The long-awaited fourth edition features 24 new personal stories of recovery. Key features and benefits·the most widely used resource for millions of individuals in recovery·contains full, original text describing A.A. the program·updated with 24 new personal stories
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The most complete history of A.A. ever written. Not-God contains anecdotes and excerpts from the diaries, correspondence, and occasional memoirs of A.A.'s early figures. A fascinating, fast-moving, and authoritative account of the discovery and development of the program and fellowship that we know today as Alcoholics Anonymous.
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This Twelve-Step Guide is written for members of any twelve-step fellowship who want to achieve the full potential contained in "The Promises" mentioned in A.A.’s "Big Book" and read at 12-Step meetings all over the world. It gives clear, precise and specific instructions for thoroughly working each of the Twelve-Steps in a total of 21 assignments. Herb K has been presenting Twelve-Step workshops across the U.S. for many years, and this book summarizes the action required for "the work" that can lead to the "spiritual awakening" –the promise contained in the Twelfth Step.
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5.5x8.5 softcover reprint of the first printing of the first edition of Alcoholics Anonymous.* The entire original and unchanged text and stories.* Includes a section detailing where the main text differs from the modern 3rd and 4th Edition text. The differences range from little things like: Page 111: He will use that as an excuse to drink more. originally read: He will use that as an excuse to drink some more.To significant changes like: Step 12: Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps, we tried to carry this message to alcoholics, and to practice these principles in all our affairs. originally read: Having had a spiritual experience as the result of these steps, we tried to carry this message to alcoholics, and to practice these principles in all our affairs. Page 151: As ex-problem drinkers, we smile at such a sally. originally read:As ex-alcoholics, we smile at such a sally.
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